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Usenet Mac Digest     Friday, June 17, 1988          Volume 4 : Issue 80

Today's Topics:
     E-mail path to Steve Christensen?
     Re: Using new keyboards on Mac Pluses
     SIMMs
     Selecting objects in a drawing program
     Re: Vertical Retrace Queue Problem
     FKEYs - where do they go?
     How I hate MPW stdio...
     System 6.0 and 2Mb Mac 512Ke
     Re: Folder Icons
     Funny Alert 'F1F1'
     Re: Problems with System 6.0?????
     MacWorks Plus! for the Lisa
     Re: Problems with System 6.0?????
     Diskfit floppy problems?
     Absolute Assembly
     Sound Manager esoterica
     Re: Diskfit floppy problems?
     Re: Black background
     Re: Hard disks for the mac se, mac ii
     LightspeedC 3.0 Upgrade Notice
     Re: Importing text to Omnis3+ problem.
     Re: Databases for the Mac
     I want my MiniFinder!
     Re: ResEdit Clipboard Format?
     Re: Absolute Assembly
     A/UX license
     Mini-Review of Green Hills f77 on A/UX
     System 6.0 breaks my CDEVS! (2 messages)
     Teaching assembly language on the Mac
     SCSI for 512KE
     Looking for font with logic symbols
     Hanging Floppy solved (sort of)
     Mac II meets XBR
     Palette manager interaction with SFPutFile

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From: [e-mail] (David Phillip Oster)
Subject: E-mail path to Steve Christensen?
Date: 11 Jun 88 02:36:22 GMT
Organization: School of Education, UC-Berkeley

Does anybody have an E-mail path to Steve Christensen? I'd like to talk
to him about his possible releasing of a program with the same name as
my copyrighted shareware. -- --- David Phillip Oster            --When
you asked me to live in sin with you Arpa: [e-mail]
--I didn't know you meant sloth. Uucp:
{uwvax,decvax,ihnp4}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu


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From: [e-mail] (David Williams)
Subject: Re: Using new keyboards on Mac Pluses
Date: 10 Jun 88 18:13:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

in:comp.sys.mac / [e-mail] (James H. Cloos
Jr.)asks:
>Is there any way to use one of the new keyboards (ie the ones avaiable for
>SE's and II's) with a Mac Plus??

Yes, Olduvai makers of ReadIT and IconIT have just such a thing, check
out MacWorld or MacUser ads for details.

>Would it need some kind of interface box, or just a custom cable?
Its a box that allows you to hook ADB devices in on one end and plug
into your Plus on the other.

>Thanks for any info.

You're Welcome

>-JimC

-David


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Toy)
Subject: SIMMs
Date: 10 Jun 88 16:32:09 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet06], Orange, CA

With the "perceived / real" shortage of SIMMs for the Mac, the following
question came up : Will the 9 chip SIMMs usually found on the IBM PS/2
and other workstations work on the Mac?  If anyone has experience (good
or bad) please e/mail.  I'll post summaries if there is enough interest.
-- UUCP: {crash uunet}!pnet06!lakerfan ARPA:
crash!pnet06![e-mail] INET: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Housen)
Subject: Selecting objects in a drawing program
Date: 9 Jun 88 20:01:39 GMT
Organization: Boeing Aerospace Corp., Seattle WA

Im writing a program which will have certain aspects of an
object-oriented drawing program, like MacDraw or MacDraft.  The user
will be able to draw some primitives like lines, arcs, circles, rects
etc. and will be able to select objects and edit them. There could be
lots of objects (>1000?).  My question is - does anyone know of an
efficient algorithm for detecting which object, if any, was selected
when a mouse-down occurs?  How do programs such as MacDraw, MacDraft,
SuperPaint, etc do this?

Also, what criteria do these programs use to determine when a polyline
or polygon is selected?  MacDraw and SuperPaint highlite the object when
you click within a certain distance of one of the lines comprising an
object.  MacDrafts criterion isnt obvious.

Any help or suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks heaps...

Kevin Housen


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From: [e-mail] (Newton Lee)
Subject: Re: Vertical Retrace Queue Problem
Date: 10 Jun 88 17:32:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T ISL Middletown NJ USA

The problem to my vertical retrace queue program was caused by the
improper setup of the A5 register. SetUpA5() and RestoreA5() were used
to fix that problem. (ref: Chapter 13, Inside Mac Vol. II)

- Newton Lee, AT&T Advanced WorkGroup Systems


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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: FKEYs - where do they go?
Date: 10 Jun 88 19:26:51 GMT
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation

Under MultiFinder (system tools 5) -- where is an FKEY loaded?  System
heap?  Current application heap? --
    Curiously / JBL UUCP: {backbone}!bbn!levin     USPS: BBN Communications
Corporation ARPA: [e-mail]                  50 Moulton Street POTS:
[phone]                 Cambridge, MA  02238


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Storkel)
Subject: How I hate MPW stdio...
Date: 7 Jun 88 23:03:50 GMT
Organization: Rice University - ICSA

I just discovered a VERY interesting little fact about using stdio from
MPW C. For the last few days, I have been working on writing a Macintosh
interface for a program that converts MacWrite files to into Script.
This program was originally written to run on Unix  machines. No
problem, I thought, I'll just write some Mac routines to get the file
names, and let the stdio routines built into MPW C do all the work for
me. I finally managed to get the Mac stuff working, and the program
which runs fine on a Sun, doesn't work on the Mac.

The problem was that the output file was truncated. The part of the file
that was there was fine, but part of it was missing. After trying all
kinds of variations of fflush, fclose, and so on I finally found the
problem. I was calling ExitToShell() to quit from the program, and NOT
exit(). It seems to me that as long as I have called fclose() to close
the file, I should not have to call exit(). However, if I don't call
exit() the output file is truncated, and the Finder says that it is
locked or in use.

It seems that this is a BAD policy. What if the user converts a file,
then sits around for a few minutes staring at the wonderful About..
dialog box, and then power goes out? BOOM, his file is trashed. Is there
any way around this type of situation? Will changing the way in which
the stream is buffered make any difference?

Please mail any response directly to me, if possible. -- Scott Storkel
Macintosh Software Development Rice University Houston, Texas


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From: [e-mail] (John Bruner)
Subject: System 6.0 and 2Mb Mac 512Ke
Date: 11 Jun 88 21:09:35 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer R&D Project, LLNL

Over the years I've upgraded my Mac 512, first by getting the 128K ROMs
and then by adding a Dove memory upgrade.  As a result, I now have a 2Mb
512Ke.  I received System 6.0 a few days ago and I am very disappointed
to discover that it doesn't work on my machine. Any attempt to touch the
serial ports causes a crash, and although it installs the Sound Manager,
the SystemBeep is always "Simple Beep", even when I've selected
something else using the control panel.

The same floppy runs fine on a Mac+ at work.  My guess is that some of
the patched-in code depends upon the small amount of hardware that
differentiates a Mac+ from a Mac 512Ke (e.g. the larger parameter RAM).

I'd appreciate any suggestions for a workaround.
--
  John Bruner (Supercomputer R&D, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory)
  [e-mail]    ...!lll-crg!mordor!jdb        [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (23527000)
Subject: Re: Folder Icons
Date: 10 Jun 88 09:21:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; CATS

Hertzfeld's Servant allows custom folder icons, so should be
implementable in new (7.0) Finder!

But please also consider need for another special type of folder--the
"virtual" folder that is transparent under HFS, but allows grouping of
related files such as all laser fonts in the System folder, all Inits,
all cdevs, etc. At present, you can't do this without "hiding" these
files from the Finder. A "Virtual" folder -- perhaps an "envelope" icon
-- would allow cleaning up the god-awful mess in System and other big
folders...


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From: [e-mail] (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Funny Alert 'F1F1'
Date: 12 Jun 88 17:07:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

Subsequent to installing system 6.0, I have been getting an occasional
Alert box with the message "F1F1" in it when starting some applications
from Finder. This has happened with MacTools and MacDraw, so I assume it
is not application specific, but rather Finder generated.  After
clicking off the Alert, the app runs fine.  Does anyone have any idea
what the Alert means?


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: Problems with System 6.0?????
Date: 12 Jun 88 19:16:32 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fred Hollander)
writes:
>I installed Dollars & Sense 4.1 at the same time as System 6 and was furious
>at the frequency that it would crash.  It didn't take long to pinpoint the
>incompatibility with new system.  When I want to use it, I have to reboot
>with the old system.  Does anyone know what has been changed that is causing
>these problems?

A friend had the same problems, and called the makers of Dollars &
Sense. They admit 4.1 doesn't work under 6.0, and will be mailing out a
new revision to registered owners poste haste.

As of today, these are the programs I know are having problems under
6.0:

4th Dimension (don't know the revision, saw note in MACINTOSH TODAY)
Dark Castle, Beyond Dark Castle, Apache Strike, Falcon Dollars and Sense
4.1

Several that I'm not sure WHAT is causing problems with:

Microsoft Works 1.1 keeps getting some garbage characters under the
Database menu bar.  Someone said that they'd get a bomb after hitting
the menu bar, but I can't say I've seen that.

Something is peculiar with the control panel.  Some things just aren't
getting refreshed correctly -- the Edit menu under QuicKeys (the Edit
menu actually inside the control panel box) doesn't appear until you
obscure the QuicKeys menu with a dialogue box.  Similarly, the Map Icon
didn't appear under the control panel until I selected and de-selected
it.

Worst of all, I tried bringing QuicKeys up under 6.0 (Finder, not
MultiFinder) while running PictureBase 1.2.2, and got half a control
panel! It was if someone had re-designed the control panel to be 1/3
narrower than before.  Trying to select QuickKeys caused a bomb, and I
had to replace the control panel in the system file.  Damn annoying,
'cause I needed to to useys to do some dull work in PB.  QuicKeys
seems to work elsewhere, though.  (ThiscKeys version 1.1).

More problems as they occur on this CBS station...

                         Any sufficiently advanced technology is
                         indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
                                -- Andy Finkel --
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     [e-mail] Manual UUCP:  {uw-beaver, sun,
microsoft}!fluke!moriarty CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
<*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone!
<*>


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Schulz)
Subject: MacWorks Plus! for the Lisa
Date: 11 Jun 88 10:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, W.-Germany

In Sun Remarketing Inc.'s new summer 88 catalog I found the long-awaited
blessing for Lisa (MacXL) owners:

MacWorks Plus!  (list $200)

It seems to emulate the MacPlus ROMs while Apple's old MacWorks 3.0 only
emulated the 64K ROMs. Sun claims it can run HyperCard, MultiFinder,
HFS, Adobe Illustrator and all these goodies which crashed the Lisa up
to now. Has anybody tested this product, is it VaporWare or real ? I
would appreciate if anybody could comment on any short-comings (sound,
graphics)...


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: Problems with System 6.0?????
Date: 12 Jun 88 22:37:47 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality

>As of today, these are the programs I know are having problems under 6.0:
>
>4th Dimension (don't know the revision, saw note in MACINTOSH TODAY)

Anything prior to 1.0.6. Registered users should have already gotten a
letter from Acius warning them of this, and telling them how to upgrade.
(The upgrade, by the way, is free. Send them your serial number, they
send you the new release. I like the way Acius operates....)

Chuq Von Rospach            [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

    Robert A. Heinlein: 1907-1988. He will never truly die as long as we
                           read his words and speak his name. Rest in
Peace.


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Diskfit floppy problems?
Date: 13 Jun 88 01:01:40 GMT

Anyone seen this? I just spent a few hours upgrading one of my Mac's
with a bunch of new stuff and made major changes to the System Folder.
When I went in to back up the changes with DiskFit (release 1.4.1) it
kept hanging while trying to load in floppies from the backup set.

Reading/writing floppies at the finder level is no problem. Neither is
reading/writing DiskFit backups under unifinder (which is what I finally
did after half a dozen tries, re-installing Diskfit and System, removing
inits, etc, etc, etc). If I run it under Unifinder, it works.
Multifinder, no.

The same revisions of software are all working on the other Mac, with no
problem, of course.

And idea what it might be? A floppy drive going flakey? A corrupted file
somewhere? Bad karma?

Chuq Von Rospach            [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

    Robert A. Heinlein: 1907-1988. He will never truly die as long as we
                           read his words and speak his name. Rest in
Peace.


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From: [e-mail] (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Absolute Assembly
Date: 12 Jun 88 17:13:20 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

I am involved in the development of hardware that uses 68000 type CPUs.
I need to write code for the ROMs in the device.  Is there any way to
put the MPW assembler into a mode in which it will generate ABSOLUTE
based code? Right now I have to run an assembler on a PC.  (and no, I do
not want to change all address offsets to 'address-start'... and I do
not want the assembler to assume incorrect things about my register
environment (A5, A6)).


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From: [e-mail] (Clayton Elwell)
Subject: Sound Manager esoterica
Date: 13 Jun 88 03:20:51 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Computer and Information Science


Well, I've been playing with the Sound Manager, and I think I grok it
pretty well.  I can play in stereo, I can play at 44KHz, I can do all
sorts of nifty things.  However, I have two questions, and I thought I'd
ask here before (a) doing a lot of trial and error to find out, or (b)
annoying people at Apple via AppleLink.

1) In the original notes I have about the Mac II, it says that the sound
circuitry can operate in a "companding" mode, thus dramatically
increasing the dynamic range of the resulting sound.  However, I have no
idea how to turn this on.  Was this just a gleam in someone's eye, or is
it just undocumented :-)?

2) The Sound Manager will let me open as many channels of sampled sound
as I want.  How many can I have actually producing sound at once on a
Mac II?  How about an SE or a Plus?

Thanks for any help, -- Clayton M. Elwell
<[e-mail]> Ohio State University CIS Dept. Research
Computing Facility

"... there was a *third* possibility that we hadn't even counted upon
..."        --Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"


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From: [e-mail] (Greg DeMichillie)
Subject: Re: Diskfit floppy problems?
Date: 13 Jun 88 05:36:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
writes:
>Anyone seen this? I just spent a few hours upgrading one of my Mac's with a
>bunch of new stuff and made major changes to the System Folder. When I went
>in to back up the changes with DiskFit (release 1.4.1) it kept hanging while
>trying to load in floppies from the backup set.
>
>Reading/writing floppies at the finder level is no problem. Neither is

>Chuq Von Rospach            [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

What kind of hangs?  I've seen DiskFit get into a (seemingly) endless
loop while accessing the disk.  My only solution is to interrupt the
backup,  start it again, and tell DiskFit that the disk is missing when
it gets to it the second time.  This causes it to format a new disk to
replace the  original. When DiskFit asks for a new disk to format,  I
just put the original disk back in and all is OK.  I've run Disk First
Aid on the disks it hangs with and it reports no problems, so it appears
DiskFit is to blame.

Anyone else see this or are Chuq and I the only lucky ones. (The only
thing worse than a bug is an intermittent bug...) -- Greg DeMichillie
  [e-mail]
                      [e-mail]
                      {ucbvax, lll-crg, sdcsvax}!ucdavis!lgdemichillie
                      AppleLink:  ST0178


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From: [e-mail] (73550000)
Subject: Re: Black background
Date: 13 Jun 88 06:25:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Yijie Han) writes:
>
>   Does anybody out there know any easy way to switch the display mode? I prefer
>white characters on black background. If there is no easy way to switch, is
>there an editor which allows switching display mode? Thank in advance.
>

CloseView, distributed with the new system/finder can do this for you.
There's a radio button in the CDEV to do just that. Looks a little
strange sometimes, and you need to disable the magnification box each
time (unless you really use it) but the screen switching should work
fine. -- Matthew Kaufman [e-mail]
...ucbvax!ucscc!ucscb!matthew

If school were still in session, I wouldn't be representing their views.


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From: [e-mail] (Alex Ho)
Subject: Re: Hard disks for the mac se, mac ii
Date: 13 Jun 88 22:00:35 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rolland Fellows)
writes:
>
>I am wondering what experience people have had with cms drives.
>Also is there a hard disk that others would recommend for the price or
>durability.
>
>Thanks Rolland Fellows

i've had a cms sd60 hard disk for several months now, and it has worked
flawlessly. it isn't the quietest or the best looking drive, but it was
inexpensive, and has traveled several hundred miles by car. -- Alex Ho
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Rich Siegel)
Subject: LightspeedC 3.0 Upgrade Notice
Date: 13 Jun 88 23:11:26 GMT
Organization: Symantec/THINK Technologies, Bedford, MA

 debugger for fast development
    * Precompiled headers for maximum compilation speed
    * Support for routines in Inside Macintosh volumes 1-5
    * inline 68020 and 68881 support
    * new documentation

The most exciting of the new features is the source-level debugger. It
lets you set breakpoints, trace execution line by line or function by
function, examine and modify variables, arrays, and structs while the
program is running.

THINK C will run with one megabyte of memory, however, to use the source
level debugger you'll need at least two megabytes and MultiFinder.

All registered users can upgrade to version 3.0 for $69 plus shipping
costs. The new version will read projects built with version 2.01 or
later directly.

If you purchased LightspeedC after February 1, 1988, your upgrade is
free. With your update order, include a copy of your dated sales receipt
or purchase order with your request, along with a check to  cover
shipping costs.

Send upgrade orders to:

    Symantec Corp.
    Customer Service Dept.
    THINK's LightspeedC 3.0 Upgrade
    10201 Torre Ave.
    Cupertino, CA 95014

In your order, please supply your name, company, address, phone number,
LightspeedC registration number, and a check or money order for the
costs. NO CREDIT CARD OR PURCHASE ORDERS WILL BE ACCEPTED. Also note
that UPS will not deliver to PO Box addresses.

When ordering your upgrade, please specify your shipping preference:

    UPS Ground - $3.50
    UPS Second Day Air - $5.50

Please allow two to four weeks for processing of your order.

You have any questions about the upgrade process, please call (408)
446-9994.

If you have not registered your copy of LightspeedC, send in your
original registration card or original LightspeedC system disk, along
with your name, company, address, phone number, and check or money
order to the above address.

To avoid delay, we recommend placing your upgrade order as soon as
possible. -- Diana Bury Language Products Manager

Rich Siegel Quality Assurance Technician THINK Technologies Division,
Symantec Corp. Internet: [e-mail] UUCP:
..harvard!endor!singer Phone: [phone] x305


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From: [e-mail] (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Re: Importing text to Omnis3+ problem.
Date: 13 Jun 88 09:38:48 GMT
Organization: The Big Electric Cat, NYC, NY

Omnis is sort of nasty that way. The best way around it is to get QUED/M
from Paragon Software. Great Stuff!! Just open the file and say 'Zap
Gremlins'. This will do the trick.

However, once upon a time there was a desparate Omnis user who didn't
have Qued. So he wrote a very simple program in LS Pascal to get rid of
control chars. for him. If you can program at all you can figure out how
to do this.

The reason you can't fix the problem in Word et al. is that many
characters with MacAscii codes of 1-26 (i.e., control characters)
display as zero- width spaces, so the only way to find them is to
arrow-key through the entire file and look for a keystroke that doesn't
advance the insertion point.

Actually, there is another way. Edit the geneva font (or whatever you
will be using in Word) so that none of its characters are zero-width.
Then they will show up and you'll be able to look for them in word.

Unless you absolutely have to, don't use Omnis. It's overkill for your
needs.

/Alexis
--
Alexis Rosen                       {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\
Writing from                       {bellcore,harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!alexis
The Big Electric Cat            {portal,well,ihnp4,sun}!hoptoad/
Public UNIX                         if mail fails: ...cmcl2!cucard!cunixc!abr1


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From: [e-mail] (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Re: Databases for the Mac
Date: 13 Jun 88 09:44:07 GMT
Organization: The Big Electric Cat, NYC, NY


Recently, [e-mail] (Peter Merchant) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, Alexis Rosen writes:
>>Refer to my other articles about FoxBase+/Mac. relevant features:
>>1) FULL USAGE OF MAC USER INTERFACE. This is all-important. If it looks like
>>   a PC, it might as well run on one.
>
>Well, yes.  And no.
>
>FoxBase applications have various built-in commands to support dialog boxes,
>buttons, and that sort of thing.  However, FoxBase's user interface is the
>same old dot prompt that Dbase is famous for.

You are *dead wrong*. This could not be farther from the truth. Does
everyone remember the debates that spring up every once in a while about
whether a CLI (command line interface) should be available with the
finder? Well, I wouldn't mind one, but I'd almost never use it. FoxBase
epitomizes the 'right answer' to this question. Everything that you can
do in dBase from the dot prompt can be done through their
'non-procedural interface'. Some of it is great, some of it is
fantastic, and some of it is acceptable. But you never have to type in
commands.

If you think your fingers are faster than my mouse (:-) you're welcome
to type commands into the 'Command Window'.

Perhaps you were thinking of their programming environment? The language
is the same as dBase's, with lots of enhancements, so program code
(which is simply collections of dot-prompt commands w/control
structures) looks some- what like what you'd see at the dot prompt- if
you ignore little things like unlimited code windows, unlimited code and
variable breakpoints, a trace window, an expression-evaluating window,
and other little goodies like that.

Also, their implementation of the interface is vastly more complete than
'commands to support dialog boxes, buttons, and that sort of thing.' It
supports almost all of the interface. Things like multiple windows (of
various types), menus, dialogs, multiple fonts, sizes, and styles,
buttons, PICTs, etc., etc...  (They are heading to support of arbitrary
resources for all of these things, which means that you could use
ResEdit, prototyper, or whatever you like best to do most of your design
work.)

>We have some Dbase folks around here who have seen Foxbase, though, and
>salivated quite effectively.  Unfortunately, they are tied to the MS-DOS
>machines, but it almost had them switching.  If you knew these people, you'd
>be impressed.  I do.  I was.  It must be pretty good...

It's better than that... You can tell them that from me (lots of
experience in PCs...) Do they know that FoxBase+/Mac on an UNaccelarated
Mac SE will generally beat the pants off of dBase III+ on a 25 MHz '386?
No kidding. Try it with a really big sort or index...

I have NO affiliation with Fox Software. But their stuff is awesome
anyway :-)

/Alexis

--
Alexis Rosen                       {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\
Writing from                       {bellcore,harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!alexis
The Big Electric Cat            {portal,well,ihnp4,sun}!hoptoad/
Public UNIX                         if mail fails: ...cmcl2!cucard!cunixc!abr1


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From: [e-mail] (Earle R. Horton)
Subject: I want my MiniFinder!
Date: 14 Jun 88 03:24:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I notice that "Larry, John, Steve, and Bruce" have taken the "Install
MiniFinder" command out of the "Special" menu.  Well, I want it back. We
have a situation here where many Mac users have their own setup at home,
and must use a public-access Mac at the college for printing. What I
have done in the past is to have a "printing" disk which contains word
processor, system file, Laser drivers, fonts, and stuff, and there is
hardly enough room for the word processor's scratch space, let alone the
Finder.  The MiniFinder was a logical alternative to make a bootable
disk I could print with.  Now, it's gone, and I don't know what to do.
Sniff. --
*********************************************************************
*Earle R. Horton, H.B. 8000, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755   *
*********************************************************************


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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Steele)
Subject: Re: ResEdit Clipboard Format?
Date: 13 Jun 88 19:24:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David O'Rourke)
writes:
>  It is my understanding that the format of the data on the Clipboard is
>just the same as the resource that was copied.  So if you were to copy a
>"BNDL", ResEdit would put a resource of type "BNDL" on the clipboard.  Now
>most applications don't support "BNDL" data types, so they don't allow you
>to "import" them.

This is exactly right, for single resources.  If multiple resources are
cut or copied, they're placed in the temporary file 'Resedit.scrap' in
the same folder as ResEdit, whether they're the same type as each other
or not; if you copy multiple resources, leave ResEdit, and relaunch,
they won't be there any more.  If multiple resources are in the scrap
and you paste into a file in ResEdit, it's only the first resource that
gets pasted.  The Scrapbook lists resource types in alphabetical order,
not by saved order, so this is hard to see.

Other notes:  Pastes do not check to see whether you're going to replace
an existing resource file, and "Y", "N", and "C" now work, MPW-fashion,
in response to the dialogs. --
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Oliver Steele                        [e-mail]
 Apple ATG

 Disclaimer:  I don't know anyone who works on ResEdit.  I just tried
it.


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From: [e-mail] (David Phillip Oster)
Subject: Re: Absolute Assembly
Date: 14 Jun 88 04:08:50 GMT
Organization: School of Education, UC-Berkeley

Check out the Apple Addison-Weselly book on writing NuBus cards for the
Mac II. In it they use some clever MPW macros to lay out complex data
structures for Mac II card ROMs.

I've always just used MDS for this, but any assembler should work. Once
you have the code physically arranged in the ROM where you want it, I
find it convenient to access hardware registers by LEAing a pointer to
them into a register, and similarly for blocks of variables defined at a
pc relative address. -- --- David Phillip Oster            --When you
asked me to live in sin with you Arpa: [e-mail] --I
didn't know you meant sloth. Uucp:
{uwvax,decvax,ihnp4}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu


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From: [e-mail] (Jan Harrington)
Subject: A/UX license
Date: 14 Jun 88 02:21:37 GMT
Organization: Scholastech, Inc., Waltham, Mass.

A colleague of mine spoke to some people at Apple today about the
availability of A/UX systems and came away with the impression that a
purchase of A/UX wasn't really a purchase. Rather, it was a ONE YEAR
license. After that time, no one is quite sure what will happen - the
license may revert to Apple or to AT&T.

Has anyone else heard this? What's up, folks? -- Jan Harrington, sysop
Scholastech Telecommunications UUCP: ihnp4!husc6!amcad!stech!sysop or
allegra!stech!sysop BITNET: JHARRY@BENTLEY

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    Miscellaneous profundity:

        "No matter where you go, there you are."
                Buckaroo Banzai
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From: clt@pur-phy (Carrick Talmadge)
Subject: Mini-Review of Green Hills f77 on A/UX
Date: 14 Jun 88 04:12:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue Univ. Phys Dept, W.Lafayette, IN

For those who are interested in fortran on the Mac II under A/UX:  We
received our copy of the Green Hills f77 compiler last week (having had
some difficulty applying the A/UX distribution f77 for our purposes 8=).
 This software is distributed by UniSoft under the somewhat funky name
"Optimizing Fortran" (make sure to ask your vendor for the full name).

We've found exactly one bug so far, which was extremely minor and easily
worked around.  Other than that the thing compiles *fast* (it appears to
compile directly from source code to object code), and produces *very*
tight code.  For example, intrinsic floating point functions are
substituted whenever possible with direct floating point coprocessor
traps.  Other [possible] optimizations include stack frame adjustment
coalescing, register replacement of local variables by coloring, loop
invariant analysis, etc.  The manual is highly detailed, well written,
and to the point.

I'd rate the software 9.5 out of 10.0 (-0.5 for no index with the
manual). --
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Carrick Talmadge               | DISCLAIMER:  C.T. has no association
with [e-mail]  | either Green Hills or Unisoft.
Opinions ..!pur-ee!pur-phy!clt          | expressed herein are his own,
and do not Purdue Univ. Physics Dept.     | necessarily reflect those of
his employer West Lafayette, IN  47907      | (Purdue University).


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Mcleod)
Subject: System 6.0 breaks my CDEVS!
Date: 13 Jun 88 08:17:15 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet06], Orange, CA


 Practically all the public domain/shareware cdevs I used with no
problem under System 4.2/Control Panel 3.2 appear to break under System
6.0/CP 3.3. Usually it's "The Control Panel cannot get enough memory"
(with almost 2 megs free?!), but other alerts have popped up as well.
One of the "broken" cdevs includes the Apple "Sample" cdev from IM V,
which I compiled myself. Hmmmm....
 I think the problem may be that these cdev's do not have a 'sysz'
resource. Am I right? -- Ken McLeod =========================
.......     ====================== UUCP: {crash uunet}!pnet06!thecloud
  :.     .:    Chief Weapons of UNIX: ARPA:
crash!pnet06![e-mail]   :::.. ..:::   "Fear, surprise, and
INET: [e-mail]             ////        ruthless
efficiency."


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From: [e-mail] (David HM Spector)
Subject: Re: System 6.0 breaks my CDEVS!
Date: 14 Jun 88 18:30:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

I had exactly the same problem.  If you are using the sources listed in
the APDA draft, that could be one problem.  Between the draft and the
release of the A-W version of IM V.5 they changed the source.  Primarily
to enchance the eror checking.  If you are using the sources listed in
the _release_ version of IM V 5, them make sure there really is enuf
memory to run, the example checksfor the BCD pack, and under the new
system  this is not a good check, I use a larger package like the disk
init package...  for really involved cDevs I try to allocate a large
chuck o'memory and then dispose of it to make sure I can still run
(usually a bit larger than the handle to my existing storage, if I am
already open)... Best bet is to rewrite EnoughRoomToRun to reflect the
memory you're really going to need.

Hope this helps...
        David --
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David HM Spector                New York University Senior Systems
Programmer            Graduate School of Business Arpa:
[e-mail]            Academic Computing Center
UUCP:...!{allegra,rocky,harvard}!cmcl2!spector    90 Trinity Place, Rm C-4
HamRadio: N2BCA      MCIMail: DSpector          New York, New York 10006
AppleLink: D1161     CompuServe: 71260,1410     [phone] "What
computer puts out work like this?"  "Hire us and we'll tell you."
XYZZYGLORP


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From: [e-mail] (Mikey Kotliar)
Subject: Teaching assembly language on the Mac
Date: 14 Jun 88 18:04:30 GMT

I am looking for an assembler suitable for teaching assembly language
programming to undergraduate students.  This tool should include an
editor and debugger.  Ideally it would also display the contents of the
registers as the program was executing.  E-mail responces to any of the
following that work:

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   ...decvax!mcnc!unc!kotliar
   Mike Kotliar
[e-mail]

[e-mail]

...decvax!mcnc!unc!kotliar


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Arnett)
Subject: SCSI for 512KE
Date: 14 Jun 88 17:58:00 GMT
Organization: proCASE Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

I would like some advice on how to get into the wonderful world of SCSI.
 I have a very old Mac (started life as a 128K) that has been upgraded
to a 512KE with a Dove 2M board.  I had some trouble installing the Dove
2M board and had to push very hard to get it to seat properly.  I doubt
that it can safely be removed.  The question is: can I install a Dove
SCSI board?  Or any other SCSI upgrade?  Second question is: does anyone
have any experience with Dove (or other) SCSI upgrades?

Thanx in advance
--
  Bill Arnett             {ucbvax!tolerant,hplabs!hpda}!procase!bill
  proCASE Corp., Santa Clara CA
  408/727-0714


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sasaki)
Subject: Looking for font with logic symbols
Date: 14 Jun 88 21:34:17 GMT
Organization: Siemens Research and Technology Labs, Princeton NJ

Does anyone out know of a font that includes symbols for mathematical
logic? In particular, I'm looking for various turnstile symbols.
Roughly approximated, they are

            |-    (single turnstile)

            |=    (double turnstile)

            ||-   (who knows what it's called?)

Please reply electronically; I'll post the result if there is general
interest. (Hard to believe -- they aren't symbols that pop up
everywhere, except for the occasional |- traffic sign.)  Thanks.

    Jim Sasaki ([e-mail], [e-mail],
                ...!princeton!siemens!jts) -------------------- Any
opinions above are my own, and not necessarily those of Siemens RTL, for
whom I consult.


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Hanging Floppy solved (sort of)
Date: 15 Jun 88 03:07:14 GMT

Thanks to everyone with suggestions on why DiskFit was hanging under
multifinder on one machine (but not another). I finally got it working.

What I did, basically, was re-install the system. I'd already tried
fresh copies of system, multifinder, finder and DiskFit. In a fit of
completeness, I went in and re-installed all of the ancillary files
(general, mouse, the printer files, general, etc, etc...). When I tried
it after that, it worked fine. My only guess is that some control file,
like general, was corrupted in some way that DiskFit noticed, but nobody
else did. Hmm.

Again, thanks.

Chuq Von Rospach            [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

    Robert A. Heinlein: 1907-1988. He will never truly die as long as we
                           read his words and speak his name. Rest in
Peace.


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Perlman)
Subject: Mac II meets XBR
Date: 15 Jun 88 03:41:45 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Separations, San Francisco, CA


I know this discussion has been around, but at the time it was only of
intellectual interest... now I care.  That said...

I would to hook a Sony 25xbr set up to a Mac II with Mac's video board
(with the expanded video option -- 8 bit video)

I would like to know:     Does this realy work?
            How many pixels does the Mac think the
            xbr has?
            RGB vs. Composite video?
            How do I do it?
            What do I need?  Software, Hardware?
            Whatever else you have to share...

I will summarize useful info to the net and forward all info (useful or
otherwise) to any askers.

--
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Richard Perlman  Rm. 602, 180 New Montgomery St., San Francisco, CA 94105
[phone] || UUCP {ames,pyramid,att,bellcore,}!pacbell!pbseps!rdp


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Platt)
Subject: Palette manager interaction with SFPutFile
Date: 14 Jun 88 06:05:37 GMT
Organization: Coherent Thought Inc., Palo Alto CA

I've run into an interesting problem involving the Palette Manager, and
I wonder if anybody can help me figure out a way to avoid a condition
I'm not too happy with.

I've been playing around with my Mandelbrot-set program (MandelZot),
changing its default color palette, adding more individual colors, and
laying the groundwork for a Color Picker interface.  Currently, I
construct a palette whose length is no greater than the number of unique
colors supportable by the screen (e.g. 16 entries in 4-bit mode, 256
entries in 8-bit mode).  The first two entries in the palette are set to
be black and white, as I.M. volume V recommends.  The remaining entries
in the palette are in the form of a "contrast CLUT"... 8 entries of
[dark red, slightly brighter red, ..., full-intensity red], 8 entries of
[dark orange, slightly brighter orange, ..., full-intensity orange], and
so forth.  The colors are specified as "tolerant", with a tolerance of 0
(exact match required).  I've added some code to ensure that the palette
doesn't contain any two entries that have exactly the same color.

The palette works fine for drawing... I get the colors I expect.
However, things go a bit awry when I bring up a Standard Get File or
Standard Put File dialog box.  The box looks OK, but if I dismiss it
(even with the "Cancel" button), I receive a color-update event... the
entire drawing region of the window is placed in the InvalRgn, and I end
up redrawing everything.

It appears as if the very act of bringing up an SFPutFile dialog box
changes the GDevice's CLUT...  if I run in 16-color mode, I can see the
colors in my window change (rather garishly) when the dialog-box
appears.  They change back (apparently to the correct colors) when the
dialog box is dismissed, but the Palette Manager appears to be resetting
the color environment back to its defaults and then reactivating my
palette, thus necessitating a complete redraw.

I can prevent the color-update event by passing FALSE in my SetPalette()
call, but that leaves the window very vulnerable to obnoxious color
changes... especially if it's temporarily covered over by another
window.  I've tried shortening my palette, reducing the number of
entries by as much as 50% in the hope that the SFPutFile colors will
grab CLUT entries that I'm not using... no soap!

Is there any way to prevent SFGetFile and SFPutFile (or the
dialog/window-manager functions they call) from stomping on the color
environment when the dialog boxes appear?  What I'd really prefer would
be to have the dialog boxes drawn using the values in the current
CLUT... they're almost certainly close enough for an acceptable-looking
dialog.

--
Dave Platt                                             VOICE: [phone]
  USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc.  3350 West Bayshore #205  Palo Alto CA 94303
  UUCP: ...!{ames,sun,uunet}!coherent!dplatt     DOMAIN: [e-mail]
  INTERNET:   coherent![e-mail],    [e-mail],    [e-mail]

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